Why are men so silly about sharing beds with other men? It makes things really inconvenient and expensive when you're trying to set up arrangements to share ski lodges and vacation houses and whatnot.
Why are men so silly about sharing beds with other men?
It all depends on the man. Most of the time I can sleep in a bed with just about anyone and be completely fine with it. Even more so if it's a king sized bed.
Some people I'm simply not comfortable sleeping with. Normally this isn't the case, however. It's often someone that I feel may come on to me and not really respect a negative response.
Jeff says that he wants his own sheet. No problem. Next time you crash in the same bed as someone else tell them you'll get the top sheet and they can get the bottom sheet. ;)
(This message happily posted via a friend's house in New Mexico.)
I think it boils down to an assumption that bedmates = play partners.
You have to find two males who already know ahead of time that this equation is not in effect, reallyreallyreally.
Women seem to assume that no hanky-panky will be going on unless both parties explicitly say Yes; men seem to assume that hanky-panky WILL be going on unless someone explicitly says No, and they are uncomfortable explicitly saying No, even to another guy. All of this is taking place down on some non-verbalized level, and it just comes out as "I'm uncomfortable with it."
At least, that's my take on it.
Of course, backintheday, it was not unusual to have three or four guys sleeping in the same bed, when there were two beds and upwards of ten people sharing the room. Maybe the solution is to get a big crowd to share the room. :-)
As one of the guys Katherine's complaining about, I would like to say that there is no overt-homophobia in my preference to sleep alone.
I just get rather anxious about what other people think of me. I try really hard not to, and I've gotten a lot better about it over the years, but still, lurking in the back of my head is a voice constantly screaming, "S/he can't possibly like you if you keep acting like that!"
And my anxieties seem to hit me worst when I'm trying to go to sleep. So, laying in bed thinking, "Don't toss&turn too much; Oh God, what if I snore? What if I fart?! Oh God, s/he's going to yell at me; or make fun of me; Oh God," is not conducive to me getting a good night's sleep.
Oh, I can understand not wanting to share a bed AT ALL. I definitely prefer to have a bed to myself, rather than to share. Even, to a certain extent, with someone I'm intimate with -- I sleep far better alone.
This was more the guy won't share bed with guy, but is fine with sharing bed with girl kind of complaint (I think).
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Date: 2004-05-21 03:54 am (UTC)Then again, I've shared beds with other men... and it hasn't bothered me.
Maybe I'm not a man? Yeah, that must be it. :)
Wait, that doesn't work either -- cause then I wouldn't be sharing beds with other men.
The real question, of course, is why can't I resist provide a counter-example that disproves a universal qualifier?
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Date: 2004-05-21 04:06 am (UTC)I prefer to have my own sheet, that worked really well with foms at con jose.
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Date: 2004-05-21 04:24 am (UTC)It all depends on the man. Most of the time I can sleep in a bed with just about anyone and be completely fine with it. Even more so if it's a king sized bed.
Some people I'm simply not comfortable sleeping with. Normally this isn't the case, however. It's often someone that I feel may come on to me and not really respect a negative response.
Jeff says that he wants his own sheet. No problem. Next time you crash in the same bed as someone else tell them you'll get the top sheet and they can get the bottom sheet. ;)
(This message happily posted via a friend's house in New Mexico.)
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Date: 2004-05-21 10:40 am (UTC)You have to find two males who already know ahead of time that this equation is not in effect, reallyreallyreally.
Women seem to assume that no hanky-panky will be going on unless both parties explicitly say Yes; men seem to assume that hanky-panky WILL be going on unless someone explicitly says No, and they are uncomfortable explicitly saying No, even to another guy. All of this is taking place down on some non-verbalized level, and it just comes out as "I'm uncomfortable with it."
At least, that's my take on it.
Of course, backintheday, it was not unusual to have three or four guys sleeping in the same bed, when there were two beds and upwards of ten people sharing the room. Maybe the solution is to get a big crowd to share the room. :-)
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Date: 2004-05-21 02:51 pm (UTC)I just get rather anxious about what other people think of me. I try really hard not to, and I've gotten a lot better about it over the years, but still, lurking in the back of my head is a voice constantly screaming, "S/he can't possibly like you if you keep acting like that!"
And my anxieties seem to hit me worst when I'm trying to go to sleep. So, laying in bed thinking, "Don't toss&turn too much; Oh God, what if I snore? What if I fart?! Oh God, s/he's going to yell at me; or make fun of me; Oh God," is not conducive to me getting a good night's sleep.
Sad, but true.
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Date: 2004-05-21 03:20 pm (UTC)This was more the guy won't share bed with guy, but is fine with sharing bed with girl kind of complaint (I think).
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Date: 2004-05-21 04:22 pm (UTC)beds
Date: 2004-05-21 03:28 pm (UTC)Men are spoiled babies who were socialized by other spoiled babies? Maybe I oversimplify a bit, but I think that's the heart of the matter.